Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

[Carlos]

Privetstvuiu vseh Forumchyan!

Pomogite prinyati reshenie v takoi situat'sii:

- V 2003 bil v US po J1 with 2YHRR. V Moldovu vernulsya 26/04/2003.

07/03/2005 uehal v Israeli, gde i nahojusi po sei deni. Vihodit ne dotyanul rovno 50 dnei do "fulfillment of 2YHRR"!

Jena viigrala DV-2006. V Iule otoslal formi v KCC, i v DS-230 patr II, podpunkt j:

" An alien who is a former exchange visitor who has not fulfilled the 2-year foreign residence requirement." - vmesto togo chtob otvetiti "Yes", ukazal "No". Toliko seichyas dognal chto ne vipolnil 2YHRR po J1! Vihodit obmanul pri zapolnenii zayavki, i esti ocheni bolishaia veroyatnosti diskvalifikat'sii.

Moi Case Number 9xxx, znacit interv'iu primerno budet v January – February. Ctho mojno predprinyati?

1. Otoslati srochno v KCC formu DS-230 s ispravleniami (ne pozdno li?).

2. Pomenyati zagran-pasport, chtob stereti sledi prebivaniya v Israele. (hotya eto riskovannii variant, v sluchae Administrativnoi proverki eto obnarujitsya).

No i konechno vernutsya za 2 mesat'sya do interv'iu v Moldovu i dosijivati doma nedostaiuschie 50 dnei.



Posovetuite chto lutshe predprinyati.

Thank you in advance.

[raevsky]

Re: Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

1. Vy v Izrail' immigrirovali ili vremenno? U vas est' Izrail'skoe grajdanstvo?

2. Kto vam skazal chto u vas 2HRR?

3. Pochemu vy schitaete chto u vas bol'shaia veroiatnost' diskvalifikacii?

[Carlos]

Re: Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

raevsky писал(а) Sat, 29 October 2005 04:21
1. Vy v Izrail' immigrirovali ili vremenno? U vas est' Izrail'skoe grajdanstvo?

2. Kto vam skazal chto u vas 2HRR?

3. Pochemu vy schitaete chto u vas bol'shaia veroiatnost' diskvalifikacii?

Raevsky, blagadoriu za otvet,



1. V Israele ya vremenno. U meneya grazdanstvo Moldovi.



2. U menya 2YHRR potomu chto ya polnostiu popadaiu pod uslovie:

"Exchange visitors may be subject to the two-year foreign residence requirement of Section 212(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended, for one or more of the following reasons:

a. They received funding from the United States Government, their own government, or an international organization in connection with their participation in the Exchange Visitor Program. "http://travel.state.gov/visa/t emp/info/info_1288.html



3. Ya polagaiu chto u menya bol'shaia veroiatnost' diskvalifikacii potomu chto ukazal nevernuiu infu v DS 230 II.

[Алик]

Re: Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

Immortal, u menya bila pochti takaya je situatsya, no chut chut podrugomu.

Ya Vas ochen horosho ponimau!

Delo v tom, chte do klyatvi Vi imeete pravq vnesti izmenenie v luboi ankete!!!



Posle klyatvi eto scitaetsa OBMANOM! A do klyatvi ISPRAVLENIEM!



U nas interview b Yanvare sled. goda. Ya pisal pismo v US konsulstva chte bi utochnit obyazatelno li visilat obyasnitelnoe pismo v KCC, oni otvetili chte ispravlenie mojno sdelat do klyatvi v konsulstve! Nadeus chte tak i budet!



Sovetuyu sdelat Vam toje samoe! Otkroyte noviy e-mail (nikoem sluchae ne pishite vashe imya v pisme i elektronnom adrese) i otpravte pismo v ambassy. Esli budet polojitelniy otvet, togda napishite im chte hotite ispravit punkt ..... ? .. takouta...



UDACHE!

[Carlos]

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Friendship писал(а) Sat, 29 October 2005 08:17




U nas interview b Yanvare sled. goda. Ya pisal pismo v US konsulstva chte bi utochnit obyazatelno li visilat obyasnitelnoe pismo v KCC, oni otvetili chte ispravlenie mojno sdelat do klyatvi v konsulstve! Nadeus chte tak i budet!



Sovetuyu sdelat Vam toje samoe! Otkroyte noviy e-mail (nikoem sluchae ne pishite vashe imya v pisme i elektronnom adrese) i otpravte pismo v ambassy. Esli budet polojitelniy otvet, togda napishite im chte hotite ispravit punkt ..... ? .. takouta...



UDACHE!

Friendship, spasibo vam za sovet!



Ne mogli bi vi utochniti sleduiuschie detali:

Kogda vi delali zaprosi v konsulistvo, vi ne ukazivali svoi case number?!

Razve oni reagiruiut na podobnie anonimnie zaprosi?

[Алик]

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Net! Chte bi oni otvetili ukazat Case Number ne obyazatelno!

Interview mne bilo naznacheno v oktybre. A pismo v konsulstva ya napisal gde to v nachale Sentyabrya.



A gde Vi budete prohodit interview, esli ne sekret?

[Carlos]

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Friendship писал(а) Sat, 29 October 2005 09:52


A gde Vi budete prohodit interview, esli ne sekret?

V Buhareste, Romania.

Tak, poluchaetsya vi perenosili datu interview s Oktyabrya na Yanvari?

[Carlos]

Re: Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

raevsky писал(а) Sat, 29 October 2005 04:21


2. Kto vam skazal chto u vas 2HRR?

Mr Raevsky,

vozmojno vi pravi, i moi opaseniya naprasni!!!

Na moih J1 formah (Certificate of eligibility for exchange visitor(J-1) status) nigde chetko ne skazanno cto ya "subject to 2YHRR", prosto nichego ne ukazano!



Bolee togo, daje skazanno sledueschee:

"This program has not received funding for international exenge from one ore more U.S. Government Agency(ies) to support this exange visitor..........." <font size="1">Hotya realino eto ne tak![/size]



Nadeiusi vas ne silino pobespokoit esli ya skinu na vash e-mail

moi "Certificate of eligibility for exchange visitor(J-1) status"forms? Oceni proshu vas vzglyanuti na moi formi i vinesti mne prigovor: <font size="1"><font size="1"><font size="3">yavlyausi li ya "subject to 2YHRR", ili net? [/size][/size][/size]

Zaranee vam blagodaren.

[raevsky]

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Ia vashih form poka ne viju. A s chego vy vziali chto u vas bylo government funding?

[Carlos]

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raevsky писал(а) Sat, 29 October 2005 15&#58;42
Ia vashih form poka ne viju. A s chego vy vziali chto u vas bylo government funding?

Formi ya vislal vam na

usimmigrationinfo&#64;yahoo.com

Files uj ocheni poluchilisi tyajelovatie, sorry

[Carlos]

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raevsky писал(а) Sat, 29 October 2005 15&#58;42


A s chego vy vziali chto u vas bylo government funding?

Chtobi biti subject to 2YHRR sovsem ne obiazatelino chtob bil government funding.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/t emp/info/info_1288.html



"Exchange visitors may be subject to the two-year foreign residence requirement of Section 212(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended, for one or more of the following reasons:



a. They received funding from the United States Government, their own government, or an international organization in connection with their participation in the Exchange Visitor Program"



I was supported by the U.S. International organization in connection with their participation in the Exchange Visitor Program.

[raevsky]

Re: Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

Vash support sostavliaet $6000. Kakie imenno organizacii (international) ego predostavili?

[Carlos]

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[url]www.crdf.org

[raevsky]

Re: Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

1. Oficial'nyi tekst zakona 212(e) na [url="http&#58;&#47;&#47;uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-22/slb-2456?f=templates&amp;fn=document-frame.htm&amp;2.0"] http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.d ll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-22/sl b-2456?f=templates&amp;fn=docu ment-frame.htm&amp;2.0

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(e) No person admitted under section 101(a)(15)(J) or acquiring such status after admission (i) whose participation in the program for which he came to the United States was financed in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, by an agency of the Government of the United States or by the government of the country of his nationality or his last residence, (ii) who at the time of admission or acquisition of status under section 101(a)(15)(J) was a national or resident of a country which the Director of the United States Information Agency pursuant to regulations prescribed by him, had designated as clearly requiring the services of persons engaged in the field of specialized knowledge or skill in which the alien was engaged, or (iii) who came to the United States or acquired such status in order to receive graduate medical education or training, shall be eligible to apply for an immigrant visa, or for permanent residence, or for a nonimmigrant visa under section 101(a)(15)(H) or section 101(a)(15)(L) until it is established that such person has resided and been physically present in the country of his nationality or his last residence for an aggregate of a least two years following departure from the United States: Provided, That upon the favorable recommendation of the Director, pursuant to the request of an interested United States Government agency (or, in the case of an alien described in clause (iii), pursuant to the request of a State Department of Public Health, or its equivalent), or of the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization after he has determined that departure from the United States would impose exceptional hardship upon the alien's spouse or child (if such spouse or child is a citizen of the United States or a lawfully resident alien), or that the alien cannot return to the country of his nationality or last residence because he would be subject to persecution on account of race, religion, or political opinion, the Attorney General may waive the requirement of such two-year foreign residence abroad in the case of any alien whose admission to the United States is found by the Attorney General to be in the public interest except that in the case of a waiver requested by a State Department of Public Health, or its equivalent, or in the case of a waiver requested by an interested United States government agency on behalf of an alien described in clause (iii), the waiver shall be subject to the requirements of section 214(l) 22aaa/ : And provided further, That, except in the case of an alien described in clause (iii), the Attorney General may, upon the favorable recommendation of the Director, waive such two-year foreign residence requirement in any case in which the foreign country of the alien's nationality or last residence has furnished the Director a statement in writing that it has no objection to such waiver in the case of such alien.

Net ni slova pro international organizations.



2. Oficial'nye instrukcii dlia konsula.



[url="http&#58;&#47;&#47;foia.state.gov/masterdocs/09fam/0940202N.pdf"] http://foia.state.gov/masterdo cs/09fam/0940202N.pdf

Цитата&#58;
9 FAM 40.202 N1 ALIENS SUBJECT TO INA 212(E)

(CT:VISA-684; 01-31-2005)

a. Certain J-1 exchange visitors are subject to the 2-year foreign residence requirement of INA 212 (e). These exchange visitors must reside and be physically present in their country of nationality or last legal permanent residence for an aggregate of at least two years following departure from the United States. These exchange visitors are not allowed to change their nonimmigrant status to any classification (with limited exceptions) or to be admitted to the United States under the H, L or K nonimmigrant category, or to acquire immigrant or permanent residence status until they have complied with the foreign residence requirement.

b. The following categories of exchange visitors (and their accompanying dependents in J-2 status) are subject to the foreign residency requirement:

(1) Aliens whose program was financed in whole or in part by an agency of the U.S. Government or the government of their “home” country;

(2) Aliens whose field of specialized knowledge or skill is required in their home country based on the Exchange Visitor Skills List; or

(3) Aliens who entered the United States to receive graduate medical education or training.

Toje net ni slova pro international organizations.



3. Oficial'nye formy, kotorye vy prislali, s vashei podpis'iu - takje ne soderjat upominania pro 2HRR v sluchae international organizacii



Mejdu prochim, eti 3 ssylki - oficial'nye.



Vyvod. Daje dva.

1. Ssylka kotoruiu vy priveli, - soderjit oshibku. Eto ne oficial'naia ssylka, hotia i gosdepovskaia. Kak vidite, ona rashoditsia i s zakonom, i s 9FAM, i s formami, kotorye vy podpisali.

2. Daje esli v etih slovah i byla by dolia pravdy (hotia ee tam net), vy ne obiazany ih chitat' chtoby otvetit' na vopros v DS-230. Vy byli obiazany prochitat' to, chto podpisali v kontekste poluchenia J-1. Tam net ni slova pro international organizations. Sledovatel'no, vy absoliutno chestno otvetili na vopros pro 2HRR - soglasno tem svedeniam, pod kotorymi vy podpisalis', - u vas ne mojet byt' uslovia. Vvidu togo, chto vy absoliutno chestno otrvetili na vopros soglasno tem svedeniam, kotorye vam predostavili - vam ne mogut but' pred'iavleny obvinenia v obmane.



Itak, v obmane vas upreknut' trudno. A esli vy schitaete, chto na etoi ssylke vse je est' dolia pravdy - to k interview na vizu vypolnite uslovie.

[Carlos]

Re: Fatal mistake in DS-230! Please advice!

Ocheni vam blagodaren G-din Raevsky!

Vi ne vpervii raz porajaete svoei osvedomlennost'iu v zakonodatelistve!

No, esti nebolishoe "NO"!

Soglasno zakonu:

raevsky писал(а) Sat, 29 October 2005 16&#58;29
1.

Цитата&#58;
(e) No person admitted under section 101(a)(15)(J) or acquiring such status after admission (i) whose participation in the program for which he came to the United States was financed in whole or in part, <font color="skyblue"><font color="skyblue"><font color="skyblue">[color="red"]directly or indirectly[/size][/size][/size][/size], by an agency of the Government of the United States

Hotya,

CRDF ([url]www.crdf.org ) i Nonprofit International Organization, no takje finansiruets'ya iz budjeta

U. S. Department of State (http://www.crdf.org/about/abou t_show.htm?doc_id=290202 ),

a eto uje Agency of the Government of the United States .

Tak chto esli zahotyat pridratsya, to smogut.

Uspokaivaet to, chto o v moei J1 vize ne ukazano konkretno chto ya doljen vipolnyati 2YHRR uslovie. I samo traktovanie zakona nedorabotano po etumu voprosu.

Ibo esli sledovati logike visheukazannogo zakona prakticheski vse chto finansiruetsia v mire v $ US mojno tractovati kak :

"financed in whole or in part, directly or indirectly, by the Government of the United States" !!!

No ya uje otdalyaiusi ot temi!

Bolishoe vam spasibo, vi ischerpivaiusche otvetili na moi vopros. Dalishe reshati nado samomu.