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А как же то, что ей заморозили возраст? Это же должно учитываться.
А как же то, что ей заморозили возраст? Это же должно учитываться.
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Сколько времени вы еще будете здесь?Comment
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ya dumau zamorozhennii vozrast otnositsya k peticii kak LPR
Before this law was passed, children of U.S. citizens and permanent residents faced the risk of “aging out” because long delays in processing and visa backlogs caused children to turn 21 years old and no longer qualify as a minor child. Because the child's age was determined at the time of deciding the adjustment of status application or visa application, some children who turned 21 while their petitions were pending no longer qualified for their green card categories. The purpose of CSPA is to ensure that certain alien children are not denied or further delayed in obtaining permanent residency because of these delays.
CSPA changes the process for determining whether or not a child will “age out” when applying for permanent residency. CSPA affects children of U.S. citizen parents, lawful permanent residents, and asylum and refugee applicants. CSPA determines who the USCIS and the Department of State considers to be a “child” for the purpose of adjustment of status and visa issuance.
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Спасибочки вам. Наконец-то я дома и могу спокойно почитать всю информацию, что вы мне дали.Comment
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Когда кейс моей дочери был укомплектован, NVC прислали мне письмо on line с припиской в конце
The NVC is currently processing this case under the guidelines of the
Child Status Protection Act of 2000.
А до этого они мне присылали, что они будут решать подходит ли она под child status protection act. Значит возраст у нее уже заморожен, они мне так и по телефону ответили, но я потом еще сама посчитаю по той таблице.
Меня теперь волнует вот это
CSPA and Children of Recently Naturalized U.S. Citizens
If a lawful permanent resident filed a petition for a child and later naturalized, the age of the child is determined based on the date of the parent's naturalization.Comment
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у меня подозрения что возраст был заморожен по визе когда вы были петицинером на нее в статусе LRP
а как только станете петиционером с гражданством они попадают под категорию IR2
но ее дают незамужним детям до 21 года
и по той ссылке с адвокатского сайта написано что возраст для петиции ИР2 считаются от даты натурализации (дата на сертификате о натурализации).. ночью еще об этом посмотрю, я сейчас уже дома, немного занята
и вообще я могу ошибаться.. я могу вам только ссылками помочь. у самой такого опыта нет с детьми после 21 года
Child Is Under 21 when Petition is Filed but Over 21 when Petitioner Naturalizes
Under current law, as well as that existing before passage of the CSPA, an LPR parent's I-130 petition filed on behalf of an unmarried child under 21 will automatically convert from second preference 2A to first preference when the LPR parent naturalizes if the child had turned 21 before the petitioner naturalized. The petition may have converted from 2A to 2B upon the child turning 21, or it may have stayed in the 2A category because the beneficiary's adjusted age is under 21 after applying CSPA section 3 principles. But in either case it will convert to the first preference upon the parent's naturalizing.
With respect to CSPA section 6, USCIS originally interpreted the statutory language narrowly. The agency decided that the opt-out provision would apply only if the I-130 petition was "initially filed" when the beneficiary was over 21. If the beneficiary had started out in the second preference 2A category and subsequently moved into the 2B category, the beneficiary could not opt out of automatic conversion to the first preference category upon the petitioner naturalizing.
Example. Same facts as above, only Virgie was under 21 at the time the I‑130 was filed. In that case, she would have started out in the 2A category and converted to the first preference category when the father naturalized. She could not opt out of this conversion and stay in the 2B category.
But the June 14, 2006, memo from Michael Aytes, USCIS associate director of domestic operations, changes that outcome. The agency will now apply CSPA section 6 to all beneficiaries who are over 21 and in the second preference 2B category, regardless of whether they started out in the 2A or 2B, if they wish to remain in that category rather than converting to the first preference.
Example. In the examples above, it would not matter if Virgie had been under 21 or over 21 at the time the petitioner initially filed the I-130 petition. If she turns 21 before the petitioner naturalizes, she would automatically convert to the first preference upon the naturalization. She could then opt-out if it were more beneficial to remain in the second preference 2B category.
Nevertheless, there may still be circumstances when the petitioner's naturalizing will result in further delay in the beneficiary's obtaining LPR status. To understand this, one must be familiar with section 3 of the CSPA. This section allows children in the second preference 2A category to preserve their 2A status upon turning 21 if they are under 21 using their "adjusted age" on the date the 2A category visa becomes available for their priority date. Their adjusted age is determined by subtracting from their biological age the number of days the I‑130 was pending before being approved by USCIS. They have one year from the date they became current to seek adjustment of status or an immigrant visa or else they lose the benefit of this section.
Section 3 changed the definition of "unmarried child under 21 of an LPR" for purposes of eligibility for the second preference 2A classification. The language in INA section 203(h) is mandatory; the determination of age "shall be made using" the child's adjusted age, not biological age. While the child in the 2A category would not be able to opt out of this section — or, to put it another way, would not be able elect to convert to the 2B category upon turning 21 — this would happen by operation of law if the child failed to seek LPR status within one year of the visa becoming available.
Under CSPA section 3, therefore, some children under 21 of LPR petitioners are able to preserve their second preference 2A classification upon turning 21 if they are still under 21 using their adjusted age on the date the 2A becomes current. But let's assume that before the child immigrates or adjusts status in the 2A category, the petitioner naturalizes. The child in that case would convert from the 2A category to the first preference category, since it is the child's biological age that would control, not his or her adjusted age. The child would not be considered an immediate relative, since he or she is over 21 using his or her biological age on the date the petitioner naturalized. CSPA section 2 controls age-out principles for immediate relatives, and it requires the child to be under 21 using his or her biological age on the date the petitioner naturalizes.
In most cases the first preference is more current than the 2A category or within a few months of it, but that is not the case at the present time for nationals of Mexico and the Philippines. For nationals of those countries, the first preference is backlogged much farther — eight years for Filipinos and over seven for Mexicans — than the 2A category.
While CSPA section 6 allows children in the 2B category to opt out of conversion to first preference, there is no equivalent opt-out provision for children in the 2A category. Standard statutory construction principles would imply that Congress understood what it was doing when it passed the CSPA and that it failed to include this category of individuals at the time it specifically included a similar group.
The recent Aytes memo does not seem to offer much help, either. It reinterprets CSPA section 6 to include within its coverage I-130 petitions filed when the beneficiary was either under 21 or over 21. But it is still limited to "an alien who is now in the unmarried son or daughter [2B] classification." If the beneficiary is in the 2A category, through application of adjusted age principles, it appears that there is no comparable way to opt out of conversion to the first preference upon the petitioner's naturalizing. The Filipino beneficiary could wait more than one year to seek LPR status, in which case he or she would then convert to the 2B classification and could then opt out of conversion to first preference. But that does nothing to beneficiaries who want to hold on to the advantage of their 2A classification.
Example. Ramiro, an LPR from Mexico, filed an I-130 for his then 15-year-old daughter on Aug. 5, 1997. It was approved on Aug. 10, 1999. The 2A category became current on July 1, 2004. On that date, the daughter had turned 21 using her biological age, but she was still under 21 using her adjusted age. She became locked into the 2A category when she filed for adjustment of status or an immigrant visa within one year. But Ramiro completed the naturalization process and became a U.S. citizen on Aug. 1, 2004, before she could adjust or immigrate. She is now the child over 21 of a U.S. citizen and converted to the first preference category. The same result would happen if the father naturalized before the 2A became current but after she had turned 21 using her biological age. While the 2A category is current for Mexicans, the first preference is backlogged several more years.
One could argue, based on equitable principles, that the daughter should be able to opt out of conversion to first preference, just like beneficiaries in the 2B category. Alternatively, one could argue that the child moved into the immediate relative category when the petitioner naturalized, since she was under 21 using her adjusted age. But these appear to be weak legal arguments. Without further clarification from USCIS on this point, the best advice for affected Mexican and Filipino children would be for the parent not to naturalize.
не зна насколько актуально.. там кажется данные на 2006 год но может ничего не изменилось?
вот тут еще тут 2008 г
с сайта uscis
If the petition (Form I-130) was filed by a permanent resident parent and the parent naturalizes before the beneficiary turns 21, the beneficiary’s age “freezes” on the date the petitioner naturalized.
но тут пишут про тех кто до 21 года
и вот что интреесно с того же сайта сиайэс
CSPA provides another type of relief referred to as the “opt-out.” This is very limited in scope.
/////// If a permanent resident petitioner filed a Form I-130, Petition for Alien Relative, for an unmarried son/daughter and then the petitioner naturalized, the beneficiary can choose to remain in the second preference classification instead of automatically converting to a 1st preference classification.//////
The reason that this may be beneficial is that sometimes the waiting time for the second preference visa is shorter than the waiting time for the first preference visa. If this situation applies, check the visa bulletin (see link to the right) to see if the opt-out may be helpful. If the beneficiary wants to opt-out, he or she must make a request in writing to USCIS.Comment
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Вот я именно этого и опасаюсь, что когда я поменяю статус и сообщу в NVC, они мне скажут, высылайте нам сертификат, а потом сообщат, что я должна подавать на дочь опять петицию, т.к. она не попадает в категорию IR2. И она тогда попадет в категорию F1 и будет ждать еще 4 года.
Мне как раз ссылки хорошо помогают. Спасибо вам большое, что вы мне так помогаете, а то самой трудно разобраться, особенно когда это касается собственных детей.Comment
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Спасибо. Сейчас буду читать.Comment
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короч из того что я поняла когда мельком читала
ваш младший ребенок еще попадает под категорию И2 когда вы натурализуетесь так как ему сейчас 21 года нет
ваша старший ребенок уже 21 года от роду может решить остаться в категории в которой она сейчас находится и тем самым opt out из того child protection act
но тогда у меня вопрос не будет ли помехой что ей больше 21 года для ее категории визы если она еще и откажется от замороженного возраста который подразумевал тот самый child protection act?Comment
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Я из вот этого Under CSPA section 3, therefore, some children under 21 of LPR petitioners are able to preserve their second preference 2A classification upon turning 21 if they are still under 21 using their adjusted age on the date the 2A becomes current. But let's assume that before the child immigrates or adjusts status in the 2A category, the petitioner naturalizes. The child in that case would convert from the 2A category to the first preference category, since it is the child's biological age that would control, not his or her adjusted age. The child would not be considered an immediate relative, since he or she is over 21 using his or her biological age on the date the petitioner naturalized. CSPA section 2 controls age-out principles for immediate relatives, and it requires the child to be under 21 using his or her biological age on the date the petitioner naturalizes.
Поняла, что моя старшая дочь попадает в категорию F1 после моей натурализации. Как раз то, чего я опасалась. В общем, не попадает она в IR как здесь написано.Comment
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Вот из этого CSPA provides another type of relief referred to as the “opt-out.” This is very limited in scope. If a permanent resident petitioner filed a Form I-130, Petition for Alien Relative, for an unmarried son/daughter and then the petitioner naturalized, the beneficiary can choose to remain in the second preference classification instead of automatically converting to a 1st preference classification. The reason that this may be beneficial is that sometimes the waiting time for the second preference visa is shorter than the waiting time for the first preference visa. If this situation applies, check the visa bulletin (see link to the right) to see if the opt-out may be helpful. If the beneficiary wants to opt-out, he or she must make a request in writing to USCIS.
понятно, что дочь может остаться в категории F2A т. К. oна более быстрая, но ничего не сказано не отменят ли они ее заморозку, как вы мне писали выше. Ладно, буду читать дальше, может еще что-то вычитаю.
Вы только не пропадайте, пожалуйста. Я еще завтра буду здесь разбираться. Надо же придти к окончательному решению стоит мне натурализоваться или отменить.Comment
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вам нужно с адвокатом чтоб уж точно переговорить не поленитесь найдите хорошего хотя бы за первую консультацию
тут такой гемор с этими категориями.. не то что у нас..сел..вышел.. по IR1)
я посмотрю еще что найду ночью
еще такой момент.. ну получит скажем ваш младший чуть быстрее чем старший а толку? выезжать то они нав будут вместе?.. может и правда проще с гр-вом подождать ...ноимхо лучше инфы побольше собрать чем дергатьсяComment
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Самое главное, что не поздно еще все исправить. И что бы я без вас делала?Comment
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Я еще раз перечитала вот это
CSPA provides another type of relief referred to as the “opt-out.” This is very limited in scope. If a permanent resident petitioner filed a Form I-130, Petition for Alien Relative, for an unmarried son/daughter and then the petitioner naturalized, the beneficiary can choose to remain in the second preference classification instead of automatically converting to a 1st preference classification. The reason that this may be beneficial is that sometimes the waiting time for the second preference visa is shorter than the waiting time for the first preference visa. If this situation applies, check the visa bulletin (see link to the right) to see if the opt-out may be helpful. If the beneficiary wants to opt-out, he or she must make a request in writing to USCIS.
и поняла, что речь идет о детях после 21 года с замороженным возрастом, т. к. это из раздела cspa и речь идет об автоматическом переводе в категорию f1 и возраст у дочери останется замороженным. Теперь вопрос куда именно в USCIS писать? Где адрес?
И еще мне не нравится фраза this is very limited in scope.Comment
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very limited in scope мне каежтся о том что распространяется это только на данный конкретный случай..Comment
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